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Anti-Flag: Sellouts of the Decade

April 12th 2006 03:56

What are we going to do about tryhards?

Uncle Sam Always Comforts

And thus, do I really need to write anything more? Anti-Flag are the extreme of everything: extreme of punk, extreme of anti-patriotism, extreme of "selling out" in the opinion of many. Their name essentially dictates their motive for music and the message behind their songs - they are anti-American and they are proud of it. They even seem to think that they are cool for it. While I am not usually this prone to blatant and brash retaliations to defiant tryhardism, it must be said. Anti-Flag are NOT cool for being anti-patriotic - the rest of the world has been anti-America for close to half a century, and since Green Day caught onto this phenomenon, it seems that amateur punk bands everywhere have attempted to follow suit... and failed miserably. Not that Green Day had in any way succeeded - their latest album, "American Idiot," causes them to fall short of their former glory simply because they have taken their activism to the extreme while targeting an audience that has no say in politics for five years to say the least.

Yet Anti-Flag are defiant in their stance - they are anti-American, anti-war and they are here to prove it. Thus, their debut album, "For Blood and Empire," is created entirely around Gulf War: The Sequel (as i like to call it). From Track 1, "I'd Tell You But," to the last track, "Depleted Uranium is a War Crime," Anti-Flag bring up serious issues whose effects are somehow diminished by their presentation. Not that anti-war punk doesn't have its place - Sum 41's latest album, "Chuck" is an excellent example of how to tell serious stories through punk music. Why?

Because it doesn't focus its blame on the US but rather people - we, the band, the audience, everyone - are at fault for war crimes, poverty and the issues that Sum 41's members faced first hand in their visit to Africa.

Anti-Flag try to replicate that bit by bit. They even meld together old Sum 41 (their style when they debuted) and new Sum 41 as seen in "Chuck" to create a middle-stanced punk style that is amateurish and yet slightly enjoyable to listen to. However, they lack the substance - they shift the entirety of the blame to the US, and lack the personal experience and first-hand memories that Sum 41 based their emotions on. With the rare exception of tracks like "Exodus," the album is almost painful to listen to and, though I wish you to judge for yourself, don't get your hopes up.

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Comment by Cibbuano

April 12th 2006 05:36

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from your post, it seems like they're just trying to capitalize on anti-Americanism. It's just selling out.

Comment by Jimbo

April 12th 2006 06:14

Yeah essentially. I read an article on "selling out" recently and, apart from Metallica, they are known as the biggest sell-outs. I think they managed to get their record deal simply through this blatant anti-Americanism with absolutely no subtlety. What has music come to?

Comment by Sara

April 13th 2006 11:05

Okay this may sounds like a stupid question but forgive my ignorance, metallica sold out? i don't know much about them, but what did they do? what more is there to say about a band called 'anti flag'

Comment by Anonymous

July 2nd 2006 21:13

anti-flag have terminated themselves just like afi did.

Comment by Jimbo

July 3rd 2006 02:19

Don't get me started on AFI. They are seriously the epitome of bad music. I mean, I have nothing against hardcore - its just musical preference - and I even went through a stage of liking the Used, as poppy as they are quickly becoming. But AFI made it big with one half-decent single, and now think they can simply get away wtih writing absolutely horrible music. I am seriously tempted to put their latest single on this blog to show exactly how bad it is.

Comment by Anonymous

August 30th 2006 18:50

wow i agree that anti-flag is the dictionary definition f selling out, but trying to compare them negatively to sum 41 is just...well sad. c'mon! sum 41 is classic pop powerchord punk like blink 182 designed and implimented by record executives to make 13 year old girls cream thier panties and drain thier parents' checkbooks; all so red-fararri marty can rail lines of blow off strippers' asses in sun valley idaho in between record deals...

unless its free, music is one big sold out commodity.

-mickey

Comment by Anonymous

November 20th 2006 15:23

ok, some things to the author, hope he reads this

1:they are not anti american, they just don't agree with the american goverment
2

um41 ain't punk, its punk pop. punk is not about what sum 41 sings
3:why should sum 41 blame USA when they're canadians?
4:this is not their debut album, their debut was "die for the goverment" in 1996
5: for blood and empire is not whole about war in iraq, it's about war, but not only about that in iraq, and songs
Emigre,This is the end, Confessions of an Economic Hitman, The W.T.O. Kills Farmers and Cities Burn aren't about war either.
6.what can you know what's happening in america while you live in australia, you can't know why they have such songs when you don't understand american politics.
7. just because they're under a major, they're not sellouts. they have no profit from their albums as well.
just look at some pseudo punk groups, just like blink, and sum, and good charlotte etc. they're sellouts and they make music only for money.
8. have you ever heard any of AF's older albums? when you're writing their review?

thx

Comment by mjdilorenzo@cs.com

December 22nd 2006 11:10

i would just like to say, in my opinion, that "sell out" is an over used term that does not describe anti-flag or their
lyrics. Anti-Flag the name, by the way, represents all the flags and labels given to people and how riddiculous it is to
sweep generalization over entire groups of people. i, also, do not think that they boast that they are cool for being against
America's actions. since day one, long before "for blood and empire", they have empowered common people with
knowledge seeking no fame or fortune. you would think that having a band out there who isn't complaing about relationship's,
drugs, and sex, would get a little more thanks for songs like "this is the end (for you my friend)" which tries to turn teenagers
away from self esteem issues brought on by the media. A band who tries to show people the importance of being politically
informed and active should not get such ridicule. God knows the school system isn't doing that for us. i just think it is entirely
ignorant to look past what they are trying to show people. today Anti-Flag, tomorrow it will be the Save Darfur Coalition for being
to "anti-genocide". perhaps trying to see things in a less negative light would help you understand their side. i see and understand
your side but in my opinion (and it's only one opinion from a 16-yar-old girl) sell out is not the correct term for a band that's trying to
help YOUR country, a band that wants YOU to have lower taxes instead of the rich, a band that want s YOUR family and YOU to
live in a country that actually can stand beside it's ever popular words "land of the free"
please read and please reply
mjdilorenzo@cs.com

peace<3unity,
melissa joan Di LorenzoYour text goes hereYour text goes here

Comment by Anonymous

January 21st 2007 00:24

thank you for teh two real anti-flag fans that responded to this disgusting article
you assholes cant judge a book by its cover. anti-flag isnt anti-american. anti-flag represents peace and unity of the people of the world not unity of just one country. seperation of different countries brings about fights.
and they are NOT sell-outs. they control all media thats sold of themselves. they are not censored. just because their on a bigger label so they can get their music to reach a bigger crowd of people. and green day is also anti-war and pro-choice. fuck you for judging "liberals" as anti-americans. once again conservative propaganda....
yea im obviiously smarter than the person who wrote this fucking article
their music may be "hard" to listen to because you know its the truth. this war is absolutely wrong it is over money and power only benefiting corporations and killing innocent people. not terrorists. and sum 41 has nothing to fucking do with it. they are posers like blink-182 and good charlotte and make horrible music(if thats what you want to call it)
how could people judge this band out for good as something meant for evil?
just like the new york times said anti-flag was anti-establishment...
well if youd considered them anti-establishment for not agreeing with every action done by the people in power and by the US government they a few have damn good reason.

Comment by smil3y

January 25th 2007 16:22

thanx for labeling me a true fan, anyways, i like your opinion, but i think it's a waste of words, if this moron, that wrote this article knows something about it then i'm a pope or something, i think he never used to think when listening to anti flag. i'm quite sure that he was listening to FBAE for once,and it was something like : " anti flag signed to a major, i will now listen to for blood and empire and then i'll write a review as i don't know a fuck about them, cuz' i'm a tru punx".
i'll recommend to the author,
1. don't connect to internet, you'll save your, and millions of others lives from your stupid reviews,
2. make a punk rock band and try not to sell out, you'll last for a 4 months maximum
3. listen to their previous albums,
4. as the fan above me wrote, don't judge the book by its cover.

thx, smiley
smileyxicht@hotmail.com

Comment by Anonymous

February 13th 2007 03:27

Ahh.

The words of true fans.

Thank you very much for your support.

This is Justin Sane from Anti-flag.

There will always be people who dislike any shape or form of music, and this is a prime example of about six of them.

Don't judge or get mad at them, they are entitled to their own opinion.

Anyway, thx for the support.

*[IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT]*

-Justin Sane

Comment by Anonymous

March 3rd 2007 14:32

As many other posters say, it doesn't seem that the author of the article knows especially much about Anti-Flag or their music (the statement that "For Blood And Empire" is their first album took away most of the credability in my opinion).
I always get upset when I see people who speak (or write) without getting the fact straight.

As Mr Sane wrote, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I think that if the opinions are based on mis- or disinformation, the person should be enlightend and have a chance to reconsider.

Thanks.

Comment by Anonymous

April 4th 2007 22:02

The guy who wrote this is a complete douchebag, everything you wrote is wrong. Where did you get your information from? Fucking pathetic...

Comment by livelifedead@hotmail.com

May 4th 2007 22:23

This article is poorly written. First off, anti-flag still has the same message, they still sing out against what happens in America. Also, I'm not so sure you've ever read about Anti-Flag to speak of them. Anti-Flag does in NO WAY claim to be ANTI-AMERICAN, Anti-Flag as put by Justin Sane himself is...

"Anti-Flag does not mean Anti-American. Anti-Flag means
anti-war. Anti-Flag means the common people of the world
are better off living in unity and peace. Anti-Flag means
to stand against corporate greed that hurts millions while
benefitting a handful of extremely rich. Anti-Flag means to
fight against mindless nationalism. Anti-Flag means unity."
Justin Sane.

Now, Anti-Flag hasn't sold out. They have gotten a record deal, they have a new platform to DO THERE BEST TO IMPROVE THE WORLD. That is the message of Anti-Flag, to improve the world, not to just be anti-Patriotic. Many, Many bands evolve in sound or style. A great example of this is Pantera. Before most people had ever heard Pantera rocking out, they heard Pantera singing with a pop metal/glam metal sound. But the Pantera most people know came out with Cowboys From Hell. A very good example that a bands sound isn't always going to be the same. If they are always the same, that is usually how you can tell someone is selling out. They aren't making music how they want to, or what they want to, but what will sell and make the money.

I enjoy greatly the art and message of Anti-Flag. If someone was saying things without being educated about another band that I didn't like, and I knew the truth about the issue, I would gladly back them up. It's people with too great of opinions and too little education that tarnish the names of nearly everything in the world.

In Honor Of Our Innocence,
Harley D. Abbott

Comment by Steve

May 9th 2007 06:42

You fuckers have no idea what your talking about. justin sane went to the homes of iraqi civilians in 2004 and saw what depleted uranium and other illegal chemical war fare had done to those peoples children and yes chemical war fare is a crime. ant flag did not sell out they signed to rca because they wanted more time to focus on their music instead of having to produce and record it themselves and rca was the only label that agreed not to taint what the band created. green days album was indeed shit they change every direction their music had ever gone and changed it just because green day went main strem before anti flag dosen't mean they rip them off. and the comment about kids not having a say in the goverment fuck you their opinion matters too. nobody however has any say in the goverment the electoarl college is shit its their to maake people feel good about themselves. why do think head office has been rebublican for so many years?
you need to stop breathing "jimbo" you are an idiot you need to go buy for blood and empire read the booklet educate yourself on something its ignorant pieces of shit like you that fuck up the world do your reseach then come talk to me.

Comment by fuck you dude

May 11th 2007 15:24

ok first of all, they are not sell outs, greenday is a sell out, if you consider being called anti-flag anti american, then how can you consider greenday not by naming their cd "american idiot" in my opinion and by a hundred others, your a fuckin idiot. anti-flag, means anti war, anti racism, anti sexist. they dont hate america, they are just putting their opinions out. they speak the truth, not like our president who doesnt and is a piece of fuckin shit as well. ive studied the government for 5 years and read all the fcucked up shit that us americans including you ( the person who wrote this crappy article) that we have done to foriegn countries. All the countries are pissed at us for the war, the war is a simple point to selfishness and greed and power.every one has views and just because your wrong doesnt mean you have to try to make people think that your right. they dont even sound anything like sum 41, and sum 41 isnt even that good. anti-flag even says at the end of each concert, which i personally and all my friend and their friends have witnessed them say "now go spread happiness to everyone, friends family, dont matter if your a different race or sex or mentally different, bring peace among others. whats wrong with peace, dont we all want peace? i know i do. and if there such sell outs, then how come they are still making cd's and music? a sell out wouldnt have been able to. a sell out wouldnt be able to make a new cd or song. your just a jelous fuck. listen to their music and read their lyrics and watch their dvd, they even admit they like america they just disagree with a lot of shit that has happened and want to make america better, so fuck you and your opinion. its not even a good enough opinion. get some facts and grow the fuck up

Comment by Anonymous

June 19th 2007 22:13

i'm pretty sure this was supposed to be an article on anti-flag, not green day, sum 41, blink-182, or anyone else. i like anti-flag, so my viewpoint is probably a little biased, but the author of this should probably learn what he's talking about before he starts writing. and almost everyone who has replied is just as biased and intolerant as the people anti-flag is against. all you are saying is that anyone who disagrees with you is "fucking retarded". how about you actually listen to the lyrics and try to understand someone else's view point.

"fighting on the internet is like the special olympics. even if you win you're still retarded."

Comment by Anonymous

June 23rd 2007 02:12

first of green day didnt start shit, there have been anti-american/anti-authority bands since punk started second they've never made the claim of being cool and the only people that say they are are their fans, which all fans do of bands tehy like, look at all the rap groups/ artists they sing about killing people, drugs, sex/prostetues and other shit as if their promoting it say its good thing to kill someone for money. now why the hell would you go and write shit like this about someone who from the beginning has done nothing but try and help people by showing them they dont have to hate each other or kill people to make a point. words are louder then action.

Comment by Anonymous

July 4th 2007 04:34

Anti-Flag has actually said themselves in interviews, bios, "We're not Anti-American. We love America. We just disagree with the Government's policies and views"
If you would have done ALL your research on AF before you wrote this stupid article, maybe you wouldnt be so wrong. "Sellouts" Go write a story on Alien Ant Farm if you want to talk about sellouts. That word doesnt even describe them at all. If they were sellouts, they would play their music, act all political and talk about what we need to do, and then afterwards sit around and do nothing. But They're actually active, believe it or not. And Blink 182? How were they any better? 5/6 of their songs sounded like they wrote them in 4 minutes. Green Day? ahaha, All I have to do is laugh. For real dude, there was no need to write this crap, when you have no clue what you're talking about. Take a tip from the guy who posted above me. He has a point.

Comment by Anonymous

July 15th 2007 19:59

Anti-Flag is the truth.

Anti - Patriotic. LOL.

Descent is the most PATRIOTIC.

OUW COUNTRY STARTED ON REBELION AND THE OVERTHROW OF THE EMPIRE>

GET IT.

DUMB FUCKS..

INFOWARS.COM

Comment by Anonymous

July 27th 2007 07:42

hahaha get screwed these dudes are mad and america sucks balls. they aint sell outs...its wat they beleive. sell out are band like simple plan who wonge about life and cut themselves so that emos will listen and because record labels pay big dollars for that genre

Comment by Anonymous

August 8th 2007 10:14

your a fucking idiot. For Blood and Empire is not Anti-Flag's first album, they have been playing since 1993. And Anti-Flag does not mean anti American, it means anti fascism, anti racism, anti corruption, Anti-Flag means unity, the bands word not mine.

they have not sold out. there views and opinions are still the same and they are still as DIY as ever. do some fucking research before you pass judgment you dumb fuck.

Comment by Anonymous

August 23rd 2007 12:58

Your mis-facts, comparison to Sum-41 and Green Day who are not even in the same music genre, show your extremely uneducated view. This album DOES however have a much more polished / produced sound than previous Anti-Flag albums. The topic of there music has however remained unchanged. Your quote that Anti-Flag "lack the personal experience and first-hand memories" is perhaps the most bold and intollerable statement made in your so-called review.

I would be embarressed to have written a review for something you evidently (That means there is evidence to support my argument) know nothing about. Why not provide a truthful review and say that you just dont like them. Mention things like "No catchy chorus lines" or "Head bopping baselines". This way, your opinion is valid.

Of course you review starts with slander of the band by mocking their photo by saying, and I quote "What are we going to do about tryhards?" and then finish with the photo yourself? I need not even elaborate.

Comment by Anonymous

August 31st 2007 04:34

Hey,
just came across this. anti-flag speaks alot about things that they care about they write songs people can relate to They dont openly claim to be punk just as AFI dont claim to be converted pop stars. Their songs actually mean something unlike the bullshit played on the radio about bleeding hearts and whatnot. What the hell is the correct definition of sellout. Here's something to chew on. Sublime went platinum and were as some people called popular. they are "sell outs" but many people still love them and they caught on only after the singer died while shooting heroin into his arms real big role model at least antiflag has respect for themselves. so again this is your opinion and regardless what you think antiflag has loyal fans who support them. and thats all that matters.

Comment by Anonymous

November 22nd 2007 11:10

Debut album 'for blood and empire' i dont think so kid, check out the back catalogue, anti flag have been around since before you stopped being breast fed...

check it skids

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Comment by Yep

December 17th 2007 19:26

Who ever wrote this is the dumbest "music critic" ever.
First of all to be a sell out in music means: a person (or band) who compromises their personal values, integrity, or talent, for money or personal advancement.

Antiflag is all about trying to see through the government's lies.
They, unlike many other popular bands, would be the last to sell out...
Sure they make money but they still have the big picture in mind-- Their message.
Sum 41 isn't even in the same genre...
... and they aren't American...

So FUCK the government!!!
The politicians are the real sellouts and you are dumb.

pp

Comment by quitstalin

May 7th 2008 22:49

this guy is a complete idiot, and i doubt that he has ever even heard one of their songs. And I truely question where he got his info from, because he could have written a more accurate article from Wikipedia

I am proud to read the comments written by those who support the band

Comment by Anonymous

May 18th 2008 21:24

Check your facts jack. Their debut album was definitely not For Blood and Empire. You suck at journalism and someone should beat you with a newspaper until you get your facts right. Equally you suck because you think Sum 41 is excellent at anything. Anti-flag is NOT anti-american. If you hadn't jumped into the punk seen in 2005 with the rest of the bandwagon jockeys you would know that on their former website (Prior to signing with RCA) they had a Q&A section where they would argue their position contantly. Unfortunately, they started making poppy songs and people like you caught on and bombarded them with your fair weather support/non-support. Grow up.

Comment by Anonymous

May 27th 2008 01:26

For blood and emopire was NOT anti-flags debut album. there were many before hand including this system doesn't work for you. get your facts straight. And sure they are a punk band being anarchaic, but that's what it's about, and at least this band ACTUALLY researches what tehy say and means it.

Comment by Tyler Durden

May 28th 2008 01:37

Alright i get u make decent points but not to many. for starters ant-flag are not anti American there simply anti borders they believe in a world where people truly govern themselves. For blood and empire was not all about war either "this is the end for you my friend" is about the media, and you are ridiculously wrong when you say they copied off of green day because they have been doing anti-governmental songs since the beginning way back in 98. the only thing that im iffy about with anti-flag is if they truly write there own music now that subject is worth the debate.

Comment by Anonymous

September 3rd 2008 23:59

Thank you to all those who think this article is idiotic. Anti-flag is true patriotism. they believe in democracy and are against blind nationalism. Basically one of the things they say is "Why be proud of your country if it hasn't done anything since we've been born to be proud of?" Among other messages. Thanks to the people who really know what the hell anti-flag is trying to say. this moron obviously didn't do any research at all.

on the other hand, i really don't think blink is a "sell out". i mean they never were a "protest" band. if they make music for fun and money (and if you listen to "Enema of the State" you can't think they're doing it for anything else) then what's wrong with that?

Go anti-flag!

Comment by Anonymous

September 3rd 2008 23:59

Comment by Hugo Jolly

September 11th 2008 23:57

First of all, if you want to have some credibility about your article, you should know at least the discography of the artist. For Blood and Empire is in no way their debut album... They released 6 other albums before this one. And since then, released 2 others.

According to the booklet of the album A New Kind of Army:

Anti-Flag does not mean Anti-American. Anti-Flag means anti-war. Anti-Flag means the common people of the world are better off living in unity and peace. Anti-Flag means to stand against corporate greed that hurts millions while benefitting a handful of extremely rich. Anti-Flag means to fight against mindless nationalism. Anti-Flag means unity.

Source: Wikipedia page for Anti-Flag

Comment by Anonymous

January 17th 2009 21:57

They sold out.

And btw, if they are anti-flag, then they are ati american, as also they are anti chinese anti argentinian and anti-all kind of borders, so THEY ARE ANTI-AMERICAN, jeez use some reason dudes.

I like their music, but they are hipocrites, they say dont like corporations, well they are supporting one, and with it the media emporium.

Go read some books and watch documentarys kids, i recommend you DIY or die.

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Comment by Anonymous

January 18th 2009 16:21

anti-flag are NOT anti-American. and they cant be proud of it b/c their not. they sing about what they consider to be wrong with America!!!! we all know its far from perfect! i have had t this argument so many times. if you just listen to what the hell they are singing you would know that!!! they have never said that they were!!! if they were sooo proud of being anti-American they would announce it loud and clear!!! so i guess im anti-american b/c i dont beleive in war, fair trade, and i say fuck bush? well fuck you! we are all just trying to inform people about things that are important, and things people may not know about! and second they are not sell outs. b/c they made a good album and it sounds a little bit different then the rest, does not make them sell out. or are you calling them that b/c they are on a major rec label?either way i guess its your opinion. not a verry good one but its yours. and theres mine!

Comment by Anonymous

January 18th 2009 16:24

btw anti-flag is doesnt mean what it says ! why dont you go to their website and read what it mean!

Comment by Anonymous

March 1st 2009 21:48

so they are sell outs, because they are actually making money for what they sing about. they may have changed their style, but the they are still singing about what they care for and don't care for. they are not fake. they still practice what they preach. if anti-flag are sell outs then every music group would be sell outs. do you even know what a sell out is? from the sound of it you don't!

Comment by Anonymous

March 1st 2009 21:51

Comment by Anonymous

June 1st 2009 19:48

You are obvious an idiot, they are not sell outs just because they were with a major label. If it helps them get more profit of it then good for them they are musicians that dont work since this is there jobs so they need the money. There old stuff is brilliant and I dont think there pop punk at all. Pop punk isnt exacly just a sound if you listen to Blink 182 its terrible. Its all about girls and stuff with some fake hardcore looks AF does sound poppy but only in SOME songs and not in a bad way. Pop is Paris HIlton, AF are more of a good beat when its "popy". So please read up on a band instead of thinking there shit.

Comment by Anonymous

July 2nd 2009 20:59

WTF. This person obviously knows nothing about Anti-Flag. They are NOT Anti-American! They are what their name says, Anti-Flag. Not the american flag, not any flag. ALL flags. Idiot.

Comment by Anonymous

July 2nd 2009 21:02

This article makes me want to frikkin punch somebody in the face. I would like to punch the frikkin idiot author in the face. But anybody would work.

Comment by Anonymous

October 20th 2009 02:48

anti-flag are sellouts for sure. for years they sing about what they are against and sure enough years later they cross that fence and become part of what they were once against. i don't know how a band can be so anti-corporate and feel signing with a major corporation is not selling out. as far as creative freedom they could have found an independent label to sign them out of all the labels out there that would have given them all the creative freedom. corporations are all about money and that's what they latched onto.

Comment by headfirstintoawall@yahoo.com

May 24th 2010 21:07

Anti-Flag is not anti-American. They are anti-government. Anti-war. They want the world to unite as one, under no flags. They hate hate. Anyone who has any human feelings want this for the world.

Anyway, the author of this article doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. Anti-Flag has been around for years, and started their musical crusade against the bullshit that is war and hate long before Green Day came out with American Idiot.

Honestly, Anti-Flag may have sold out a bit, but realistically in this day and age you HAVE to in order to get any recognition. The American people are trendy, fad obsessed masses that only want to listen to things that they don't have to think about.

Comment by Anonymous

December 22nd 2010 14:11

Is anyone failing to remember that RCA is owned by Sony who has about 400 contracts with the US military in Iraq?

Ya and Anti-Flag hasn't sold out.

Comment by Pro Peace = anti american?

March 29th 2011 02:20

What about Alan Jackson and his shitty 911 songs. He's capitalizing through the tragic death of thousands of Americans. It's disgusting. This is so one-sided it makes me nauseous...

Comment by Pro Peace = anti american?

March 29th 2011 02:28

And another thing, Greenday and Sum 41 are in way over their heads if they think they can get political. American Idiot was terrible.. Mobilize is where it's at.

Comment by Anonymous

October 12th 2011 20:16

I have to disagree with the claims that Anti-Flag is Anti-American or unpatriotic. Actually I would say they are one of the most patriotic bands I know. After all, if they didn't give a fuck about the United States they wouldn't be offering solutions and promoting positive change. In order to become flawless one must first identify their flaws. This is exactly what they have done. Why else would they be showing up at protests and playing for free? If they hated America they wouldn't be at those protests, they wouldn't preach the things they do. They would have high tailed it to Canada and never looked back. To say they are unpatriotic is an ignorant statement. I suggest you double check their lyrics. When they say stuff like "fuck the flag" they are talking about the nationalistic, manipulative ideals behind the flag that are used to control American citizens. They are talking about corporations who use the flag the same way they have been using the bible, to manipulate and coheres people for their own selfish gain. As far as them selling out, there are some points that are hard to argue against but bringing Sum 41 into the mix and comparing the two bands has made me discredit your points completely, and I am sure I am not alone.

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